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January 3, 2013

To the editor: Re: 12/27 opinion column by Rachel Marsden....

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Anderson

Jan-13-13 1:32 PM

Doubt your claim to have visited the places I mentioned, e.g. NO or Chi's south side. I and 9 members of the Austrian parliament were warned by black city officials in New Orleans not to venture after dark beyond the French Quarter; not much later another European visitor did so and was shot dead. Reading a little Deneen Borelli, a Black conservative women, might broaden your very narrow mind, Brucee. Imagine, e.g., "Before blaming society or looking to govt to be responsible for you or your family: look in the mirror. What choices did you make? Drop out of school? Hang out with the wrong crowd? Get involved in drugs or gangs? Is teen pregnancy the govt's fault?" Facts of life, Brucee? Even MLK suggested the same in August 1964 - now CONVENIENTLY forgotten, of course. Doesn't fit the liberal template, and it's always thus.

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Brucee

Jan-13-13 11:45 AM

anderson - do u really ever deal with facts and real life, I have been to all those areas u mention and only once did I have a weapon, still alive and kicking. One ounce of common sense anderson and throw your volumes of book manure away O man.

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Anderson

Jan-12-13 5:01 PM

What you think you know but don't would fill volumes, Brucee. It all depends on where you area: In 'Nam, I slept with an M-16 by my bed and traveled with it always, and there are areas of Chicago, LA, SW borderlands and even St. Louis where that might also be advisable. Would certainly have been so at FT. Hood even at the cost of offending Hassan or liberal sensibilities at the WH - what was it called: "workplace violence"? Also, musket were effective against the King's diktats - and men - back in 1789. What might be effective today when a president, as Deneen Borelli saya, open;y displays the classic progressive view that the Constitution's "charter of negative liberties" is a barrier to their political agenda? Just looking beyond tomorrow, Brucee, and the inevitable unintended (or intended) consequences of hasty overreaction.

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Brucee

Jan-12-13 3:23 PM

anderson - no one is trying to take your d-- weapons away from you, u always go over the top, what a parnoid person. As a vet and along with several other vets on here I think we just think its time to get within reason and sanity, something u lost a long time ago - Lord no one in this bloody land needs a assault rifle, 50 cal, bush wacker or whatever to protect you d-- property nobody and they sure as he-- dont need banana clips either. A 45 in your house will be more than enough for your paranoia - its sounds like you really need an armed guard so u can relax once in while from the boogy man. lol.

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Anderson

Jan-12-13 11:41 AM

Keep thinking of that home invasion down nby Otho and the victim shooting one of the invaders; what a different outcome from those two old people murdered down by Winterset!

Bubu, I doubt the Constitution's framers ever anticipated our being led by someone who has so little respect for either the checks and balances they wrote into it or appreciation for the personal liberty that is guaranteed INDIVIDUAL Americans by the "negative rights" the Bill of Rights put up as obstacles to collective tyranny and DC dictates re the public good.

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BigSlik1944

Jan-12-13 12:19 AM

To bububud, welcome home brother - and Hbockoven, thank you and any other veterans on here for your service. Not sure about MadVette but if you are a veteran, thank you also. As a vietnam veteran, infantry, I saw first-hand the horrors of war and wouldn't wish that on anybody. But be assured, if it comes to defending my country again, I WILL, against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Remember the Minutemen.

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MadVette

Jan-11-13 8:00 PM

To Bububud and Hbockoven. First off I do wish to thank you both for your service to this country.

To Bububud, we are going to have to agree to disagree on this issue. I don't know how you could really take away the so called assault rifles without taking away semi-auto shotguns, rifles, and pistols. To me it would be just a matter of time before we went from banning 30 round mags to banning 15's and then 10's until we got down to the single shot shotgun and .22 single shot squirrel rifles. Also the fact I could become a felon overnight because someone decreed that I had to register or turn in my AR or AK really is alarming.

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bububud

Jan-11-13 4:40 PM

hbockhoven...What I'm addressing are the military assault killing machines and the easy access to such and ammo! I have no problem with shotguns or rifles used for hunting being in your possession. The founding fathers could in no way envision the firepower available today when formulationg the 2nd amendment! The military gave me instruction in the devastation these weapons can do, not courses in international affairs and an interpretation of constitutional admendments, specifically the 2nd...Arm Americans to the teeth and take your killing machines wherever you want under any influence whether sober, licquord up or on drugs...is that your vision for our country? Enough with the righty "government tyranny" thing!

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bububud

Jan-11-13 1:40 PM

MadVette...No, I don't own any weapons but certainly understand the "draw" to this weaponry. I experienced it myself to the extent of being awarded the "expert marksman" ribbon which can be found among an array of other ribbons awarded me by the US military including two Vietnam service ribbons. As to solutions, I believe VP Biden and his committee have made a good START. Easy access to these killing machines and ammo must end! Maybe military style security for such weapons is called for in the public arena where the killing machines are kept at a combination armory/firing range and cannot leave the facility...you can have access and fun too...just a suggestion. I'd leave the details to the more qualified in this area. It's called compromise...a word des***** by the NRA and righty extremists. Abuse a right, be prepared to lose that right! I'm not so sure possession of these killing machines is a right at all!

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Anderson

Jan-11-13 12:35 PM

Sadly, we know what Obama and all his acolytes think of our Constitution; about the same as two-bit dictators have demonstrated all around the world.

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Brucee

Jan-11-13 11:06 AM

Oh and one more thing - I do own several weapons/guns, I have shot everything from m-14's and 16's to 50 calibers, etc and I am not a NRA member nor do I need to be, I can represent myself quite well...

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Brucee

Jan-11-13 10:56 AM

So everybody needs armed guards to be protected ? The Gifford shootings in Arizona had several folks in the area with concealed weapons/permits to no avail. We need strict laws for mentally ill, felons, etc getting weapons, to be reported and held accountable. I know of lots of examples in this country where folks not really in reality live at their homes with weapons and nobody cares but thats where the problems start. Its very touchy in this country the fine line to when the right to protect yourself is risking to others. I dont think its solvable with just one change but I do think we need to try and we need everybody to care and try to work together for the protection of the innocent or it wont't work. IF we all need weapons to survive each other then all we have done is gone back to the Wild West days again..

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MadVette

Jan-11-13 7:58 AM

Bububud, I have a couple of questions for you regarding your latest post. Do you own any weapons? And if you could write the sensible legislation what would you do? Nothing detailed, just simple changes you would make. Outlawing some guns, outlawing certain ammo, magazine size or what? Just curious as to what sensible legislation would be in your opinion. I completely understand where you and the others are coming from. My whole problem is not the magazine size thing it is the next step and the next. In California yesterday, a kid shot another in school with a shotgun. If all of the assault rifles are banned will shotguns be next. What about pistols? They would be the next logical weapon to use for another massacre. In fact Lanza used them in the Connecticut shootings. Where would it stop?

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bububud

Jan-10-13 11:05 PM

MadVette...I don't intend on hiding anywhere...Unlike the NRA, common sense Americans will determine what values are important! They did it in November and I'm confident they will again soon with sensible gun legislation! With that, maybe in some small way, the families of the dead children can find comfort that their sacrifice brought about change that might allow other children a chance for a future. Maybe if you or others who want to ignore sensible change found yourselves losing a child to a massacre, you would think differently.

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MadVette

Jan-10-13 8:24 PM

Barleycorn, I appreciate your clarification on the Hitler matter and on agreeing not to give up your weapons if it ever comes to that. And yes we just have different opinions on this matter. I do think though that Obama or any other President should not have any executive power to limit or change anything even remotely associated with the Constitution. When any one person can dictate a law it is tyranny plain and simple. You know it is funny, though not in a humorous way, that with the stroke of a pen there might be millions of felons in this country. I am sure I will get the usual "well look what Bush did" crowd crowing loudly. But if you look at what I said, I said any President. So don't even bother.

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Barleycorn

Jan-10-13 7:17 PM

madvette; I'm sorry that you misunderstood me or that I did not take the time to make myself clear. I did not mean to infer that you spoke of Hitler. I said "to the people who . . . " referring to others earlier posts. And to answer your question, no. I will not turn over my guns. As for Hitler and gun control, to those who believe Hitler took away the guns, read "Gun Control in Germany, 1928-1945" by William Pierce. Or maybe even Wikipedia. And again to madvette, sorry for the misunderstanding. I do agree with a lot you say. We do have a difference of opinion as to this or any future president taking away our guns. And that is all we have: opinions. I appreciate your input.

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Anderson

Jan-10-13 6:00 PM

Great, bubu; how about me giving up my guns when the 11 armed men that protect Obama's daughters and all the other kids of DC I-am-its are withdrawn and both Obama, Biden and all their journalist and Hollywood pals distanse with their armed guards, not to mention emptying the highways as as in the case of the "Messiah." Oh, I forgot... some ARE just "more worthy" of armed protection than others. But somehow I just don't trust Obama, Holder, their FBI - our you - to take care of us lesser sorts. 'Course, I do have a guard at my gate down here, but I have to venture out at times; what then? Meanwhile, let's defend the Constitution from alteration by Executive Order.

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MadVette

Jan-10-13 5:42 PM

Well Bu, you go hide behind Obama's skirt and I will hide behind the 2nd amendment and my weapons.

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bububud

Jan-10-13 11:14 AM

Righty extremism was soundly rejected on election day and now it's time for common sense Americans to again step forward and replace righty callousness toward bloody massacres and killing machines with solid gun control measures! If not now, even after the carnage at Newtown, when? How many more must we endure? Is this the image we should send to the world or what the founding fathers had in mind when it came to the 2nd amendment?..****mon sense says NO!

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Anderson

Jan-10-13 10:11 AM

See the Messiah is thinking of "executive action" to require ALL guns be registered. Registration first; some excuse as CinC to confiscate next? I will NOT register mine with him or Branstad!

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BigSlik1944

Jan-09-13 11:32 PM

Barleycorn, MadVette is right; Never say never. And Madvette, I'll also keep mine and if it does come to gun confiscation, there could be h e l l to pay.

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MadVette

Jan-09-13 9:20 PM

Barleycorn, maybe you should read the previous posts and point out exactly where I said anything about Hitler. You are cutting on the wrong person. You never did answer my question as to if you would generously cave in and give up your guns if someone in power decided to make them illegal. Well? One more thing. Never say never.

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Barleycorn

Jan-09-13 8:10 PM

Madvette: I'm not an alarmist. No one will ever come and take our guns. The day may come when they do ban Glocks. Highly doubtful. And no one will ever take our hunting rifles. We will never see that in this country. We do need controls. To the people that run around with their hair on fire saying this president or any future president would be like Hitler taking our guns; Hitler never banned guns. He lowered the age to own a gun. Read your history.

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MadVette

Jan-09-13 7:51 PM

Barleycorn, I have a question for you. Since you state you own hunting rifles and a Glock. What will you have to say if and when they decide Glocks are the next guns to ban? What about your hunting rifles? Do you really think they will stop with assault rifles? If some nut goes ballistic with a Glock and kills 20 children there will be a "meaningful discussion" on banning Glocks as well as all pistols. So will you peacefully surrender yours? I would hope not. Like I said before I will keep my weapons.

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bububud

Jan-09-13 4:10 PM

soundco...such a lenghty response when a simple "tune into Alex Jones" would do!

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