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January 3, 2013

To the editor: Re: 12/27 opinion column by Rachel Marsden....

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conservative

Jan-03-13 7:47 AM

Great letter, Jim. There is absolutely zero evidence that gun laws work. What works is a citizenry that is armed to handle those who do not want to obey gun laws. But, with Obama and the libs it is just another advantage to exploit a crisis. You know what kind of country you live in when people actually look at Newtown, CN and believe the answer is more gun laws. It's what you get with "toucy-feely" democrats.

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Anderson

Jan-03-13 10:52 AM

Violence is the inevitable consequence of pluralism, differing value systems, and the resulting social chaos. The need for individual self-defense become an imperative; thus, the faith in guns and gold.

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bububud

Jan-03-13 12:16 PM

The founding fathers in no way could envision the weaponry we have today. In 1780, if a school shooting took place, the shooter would have probably got no more than one round off. They only had pistols and muskets which required reloading after each shot! You left that out Mr. Hirschberg! When it comes to tyrannical government, who decides that Mr. Hirschberg...2nd Amendment "remedies" seem to be popular among the righty extremists these days even though their ideology was soundly rejected by the American people! Yes, by all means, let's further teach more people how to kill his fellow man! Hey, how about issuing new immigrants an M-16 as they enter "Dodge City!"

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HawkDodger

Jan-03-13 2:13 PM

When it comes down to it, a law is nothing but words on paper to the kinds of people who would murder you or me. When the criminals and crazies start shooting, bububud, you feel free to hide yourself and your family behind a paper shield. As for me, I’m ready to defend myself and my family from the Holmes’ and Lanzas of this world with something a little more powerful than paper.

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bububud

Jan-03-13 4:03 PM

HawkDodger...And what are you prepared to tell the family of a dead child when one of your family members under the influence of a drug or alcohol or becomes mentally unstable takes your assault rifle and goes on a killing spree? Yah, let's arm Americans to the teeth where a climate of fear is ever present as to when is someone going to start shooting and hey, I was lucky enough to survive another day! Great environment to raise children in, huh? Let's take them to Sunday school in the morning and then teach them to hate and kill in the afternoon! Great learning environment for kids as they see armed teachers or guards roaming the halls or play grounds of our schools or other places such as malls, theaters, athletic events and on and on...is that the freedom or America our founding fathers envisioned? More guns=more Lanza's!

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Anderson

Jan-03-13 4:34 PM

You don't have to arm "immigrants," bubu, they seem to manage that for themselves. Example: 1 murder in Mesa, AZ, among a population of 350,000 in 1986; 45 murders in 1992, all but one involving an armed Hispanic, mostly recent "immigrants." The breakdown of behavioral norms creates the social chaos we see in so much of the US today, especially in urban areas like Chicago, DC, and New Orleans, but with significant spill over everywhere (recall the home invasions near Otho and Winterset?) Chalk it up to tolerance - and we tolerate every kind of anti-social behavior nowadays, no? Thus, forty-five killings a weekend can be overlooked in Chicago when they occur one by one; some difference from a St. Valentine's Day massacre, eh what? Better be armed and ready, that seems to deter crime most places.

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HawkDodger

Jan-03-13 5:58 PM

It is laughable when it is said that assault rifles are designed only to kill lots of people, because they do such a*****poor job at it. Let’s look at the statistics. The FBI only has listed from 2005 to 2009. In 2005 there were 14,965 murders in the US. Of those “rifles” accounted for 445 or less than 3%. In 2009 there were 348 rifle murders out of 13,636, or 2.5%. This rifle category contains both assault rifles and hunting rifles. In other categories, Personal weapons (hands and feet) accounted for 905 and 801 murders in those years, while blunt objects (i.e. bats, hammers, bububud’s head) accounted for 608 and 611 respectively.

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HawkDodger

Jan-03-13 6:12 PM

After Lanza stole his mother’s gun(1), killed his mother(2), stole 3 more of her guns(3,4,5), and transported those 4 stolen guns in an automobile(9), do you really think that he thought “oh gun free zone, I can’t go there.” So he transported 4 firearms into a gun free zone (13). He then proceeded to kill 26 people (39) and wound 2 others (41). That is an estimated 41 laws that he broke. I’m really sure that one more would have stopped him though... #sarcasm

Look at the case of James Holmes. There were 7 theaters with midnight showings of The Dark Knight Rises within 20 miles of his home. He didn’t shoot up the closest theater to his home. He didn’t shoot up the largest theater within that area. He went to the ONE theater posted as a gun free zone.

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HawkDodger

Jan-03-13 6:14 PM

That “gun free zone” sign didn’t stop either of them. It told them this is where I can do the maximum amount of damage with the minimum amount of resistance. These laws will continue to do nothing to stop criminals and crazies and all they will do is keep law abiding citizens from being able to defend the lives of themselves and their families .

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bububud

Jan-03-13 6:31 PM

HawkDodger...Even I had to chuckle concerning your comment in reference to my head make-up, but I digress. While quoting FBI statistics for the 28,000 murders concerning those two years, what percent involved guns in general?

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jamesf

Jan-03-13 7:21 PM

Bub, kids are taught to hate and kill by video games that their parents buy them, not by guns themselves. How many mass shootings or murders occur at shooting ranges?

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jamesf

Jan-03-13 7:44 PM

To the Disagree, it would be interesting to see what kind of video games that the nut jobs that kill people have in their homes. Its a safe bet that they are not non violent.

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bububud

Jan-03-13 9:59 PM

HawkDodger...What kind of gun legislation would you be open to? Sales of guns at gun shows that fail to provide a background check? Forty percent of guns are bought this way. How about a ten round limit on magazines? Maybe none at all despite a call from 62% of Americans calling for change? I wonder if a walk through the killing room at Newtown would move the hearts of the NRA or their Republican toadies in congress. Hardly likely!! Apparently the sight of 20 dead children in pools of blood would not even be enough! Shameful....

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bubbaG

Jan-03-13 10:38 PM

Conservative

There are no conservatives who support gun laws? No "libs" who support the right to bear arms? I'm liberal and agree we should be free to carry a gun. But please don't shoot me with it.

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bububud

Jan-04-13 1:16 AM

soundco...Where is the logic in such easy access to such weaponry and 30-100 round magazines. They were designed to efficiently kill other humans. Man, ya know, has a pretty good record in killing fellow human beings and his efficiency just keeps getting better! Even though the NRA wants everyone to just forget about Aurora, Colombine and now Newtown, this is one citizen who will be badgering my representatives for common sense gun legislation. That's the only way that I can honor the innocent victims!

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bububud

Jan-04-13 10:49 AM

soundco...The killers at Aurora, Columbine and Newtown WERE all "law abiding" citizens until something snapped and they had easy access to these killing machines and multiple round clips! Most Americans, me included, have no problem with guns used to hunt animals, but 62% demand change concerning the killing machines. The only place they belong is with the military or police! I'm not interested in any NRA backed propaganda (Innocents Betrayed)! They have become nothing more than a militaristic voice of righty extremism..."put armed guards in every school in America!" is their solution and then wait for the next nut case to come along and have a good old shootout! Seems like an environment of fear to me...great learning environment, right? I wonder how many nut cases that environment alone will create! By the way, thanks for reminding me to contact my representatives today, again!

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HawkDodger

Jan-04-13 11:08 AM

What can be done to reduce the death toll the next time a criminal or crazy individual decides to kill as many people as he can? That’s the question that rational people ask following the killing at Sandy Hook. Would a background check have stopped it? Would reducing the size of magazines to 10 have reduced the bloodshed? The answer is both is NO.

The killer at Sandy Hook was denied the ability to buy a firearm because he wouldn’t take a background check. He STOLE the weapons he used. From the time the police were called to the school, he had 15-20 minutes to wander and kill at leisure before they arrived. Changing a magazine takes less than 5 seconds and this wack-a-do had several of them with him. 26 People in 20 minutes. Bububud, more legislation would have had NO impact on these shootings.

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HawkDodger

Jan-04-13 11:29 AM

Bububud, more legislation would have had no impact on these shootings. Common sense solutions have offered. While I really don’t agree with adding armed security to the schools, it would have done more to stop an Adam Lanza than gun free zones, background checks, or magazine limits.

A lockdown system would be a much more practical solution for prevention and student defense in schools. I believe they have one at WDM Valley, where steel reinforced doors are able to be electronically locked from the main office. That was another suggestion that was made. But, no. You and the libs keep holding up these dead children killed by a crazy person and shout nothing but “Ban, Baby, Ban!”

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bububud

Jan-04-13 1:06 PM

HawkDodger...Again, Mr. Lanza had access to his mother's killing machine...he lived with her and often accompanied her to the firing range. He had access to multiple round clips. Let the killing begin...pretty simple I would say! Lock down schools?...fine, you going to lock down malls, athletic gatherings, churches and all places where people gather too? He didn't need a background check, he already lived with the guns! That's pretty easy access! How should we honor and remember these dead children, a teddy bear and availability of more advanced killing machines with even higher round clips and just wait for the next shootout?.****mon sense says that's not the way to go! The fastest way to lose a right is to abuse a right...it's time for change and the vast majority of Americans demand it!

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jammer

Jan-04-13 2:44 PM

1st of all .... Oh yes, please DO advertise "gun free zones". A certain invitation for the wackos. All the gun laws in the world is not going to keep someone from getting a hold of a gun if they want one. I'm all for arming Teachers in the schools. It is apparent that these school shootings are only going to increase. They can keep their gun locked in a safe where they could have access in 30 seconds vs 15-20 minutes for police to arrive. Whether we want to admit it or not this is the society we now live in and its either adapt or die. Its been said before, gun laws arm the criminals and leave ordinary citizens at their mercy.

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HawkDodger

Jan-04-13 3:12 PM

The vast majority of Americans demand it, Bububud? Wrong again. The USAToday/Gallup poll you have been referencing was taken less than a week after the Sandy Hook shooting. The high capacity clip ban jump to 62% from 47% in the previous year could be called a “knee jerk reaction” at best. But if you continue reading you will also find that 51% of Americans say they’re STILL against any law making it illegal to manufacture, sell, or possess assault rifles and 74% of Americans are STILL against greater restrictions on handguns.

The idea of banning all firearms fails to learn from the lessons of the past. Look at the shining example of government control that prohibition was. Look at the success the “War on Drugs” has had since it began. Pass your laws, no guns for anyone! Do you expect the criminals and crazies to follow that law too? Puff, puff, pass man.

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HawkDodger

Jan-04-13 3:14 PM

As for locking down schools, I was simply putting forth what seems like a rational idea on how to protect schools and the children within. Lock the doors while they wait 20 minutes for cops to arrive. That is what you libs want me to do in my own home, isn’t it?

If you want to ease your concerns about malls, athletics, and churches, maybe you should take a carry class. I did and I do. The idea is simply that you want to be aware of your surroundings and prepared. In the end, it is just like the CPR and first aid classes I took from the Red Cross. You hope you never need to use it, but it is good to know you can.

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HawkDodger

Jan-04-13 3:16 PM

And lastly Bububud, how do we honor them? We honor them by bettering ourselves. We honor them through education and training. We honor them by giving the remaining students (and our own children) the protection against the criminals and crazies that school district failed to give these victims.

We dishonor their memory when we pretend that it was the rifle and not a mentally disturbed person who killed them. We dishonor them buy punishing others for the mistakes of this crazy man and his mother. We dishonor their memory when we USE them to push an anti-gun agenda the way you and the libs have. Also, how in the world do you honor someone with a teddy bear? Please...

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bububud

Jan-04-13 4:42 PM

HawkDodger...That's right, let's "better" ourselves by arming everyone to the teeth...why stop at assault rifles, why not M-60's too! Yes, we'll be sure to provide training on safety and responsible shooting. Yes, yes, by all means! Why do you assume the shooters were crazy? Possibly a grudge played a role or that was their way of reacting to our violent society? They all, though, had access to efficient killing machines! Drugs and alcohol can also play a role! My "teddy bear" comment was in reference to the hundreds of stuffed animals that Americans sent to Newtown and still sit in boxes. Americans were "honoring" the dead children with compassion and concern for their remaining siblings and classmates. Too hard to pick up on that? Americans can further honor the dead children by demanding common sense gun legislation! Without the easy access to the killing machines those massacred children would still be alive today!

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Rattler

Jan-04-13 6:57 PM

All you anti-gun people, if you take away all the guns, people will find another way to kill. You going to take away everyone's knifes and vehicles. Next you'll want to cut off everyone's hands because someone might kill with their bare hands!

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