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Alstott defends stance

Voices support for crosstown connector, calls 6th Ave. N.W. project ‘waste of money’ at forum

January 30, 2013

Fort Dodge City Councilman Kim Alstott defended his support for the crosstown connector project during a Tuesday night public question-and-answer session....

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SharonO

Feb-01-13 8:33 AM

I think i put it in writting the i habe never seen any facts on the lack of respect your ward is shown but it is evident visually to me everytime i drive thru ward one. Thats nice that you live in ward one and are against improving it. I belive its been stated by many that its the lack of pride in ownership and in general a lower class of people who live in that ward that keep it from seeing improvements. That is not what i think please do not think i am bashing anyone! Majority of my family lives there. My point is when people who live in that area start fighting against change and improvement, and rally for 5th s and CTC i think that thought is really being proven true. I like nice things...thats not wrong. Its difficult for me to understand why anyone who lives in ward one would push for anything besides residential improvement.

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jammer

Feb-01-13 12:12 AM

The mom and pop stores are now Casey's and convenient stores. Those so called mom n pop stores were then also high priced. You can't shop in one of those the same as you would a regular grocery store. Get real! In bob town we had Hicky's and Weber's down the street from that closer to the bridge. Nobody ever did regular grocery shopping in those stores. What I'd like to see come in out by the college is a Cub's store. The hospital and college employ a lot of people, I bet those ppl would like to see a big grocery store out that way, saves from going clear across town to pick up a few things.

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kaleidoscope

Jan-31-13 11:49 PM

The 'lack of respect' you assert as fact is in your mind, not reality. I live in Ward 1 and can tell you the village idiot that represents this ward is so far off base it's riduculous! West and Northwest Fort Dodge is going to see an enormous level of growth in the next few years due to the ag park and people in these neighborhoods should be embracing that rather than dissing it!

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SharonO

Jan-31-13 7:52 PM

I dont think the same people who drove out mom and pop are the same people who live in those areas now. I am 35 and i dint remember those things. I am so confused by the lack of respect for west side and bobtown. I dont understand the thought process that making progress everywhere else is good for them. How is that?

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kaleidoscope

Jan-31-13 6:27 PM

There used to be a nice grocery store on Ave E and the owners closed due to lack of business! All of the whiners on here that lived there drove to Hy-Vee (then located where Hy-Vee Drug is now), Randalls (which was further away than the current Fareway), Fareway(which was a small grocery store once located next to City Hall), or Fort Dodge Fruit and Grocery (located on the corner of 2nd Ave North and 22nd St.) Seems like a whole lot of baseless complaining coming from Westsiders. There was also, in those same years, another mom and pop grocery store downtown as well as a meat market. You all flocked to the 'new' stores to shop and drove the neighborhood mom and pops out of business, so to complain now is petty and childish. Progress is good for Fort Dodge and her citizens, and while I don't always agree with everything that changes, the bottom line is it's about what's best for the entire city, not just one neighborhood.

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moparmenace59

Jan-31-13 10:45 AM

forprogress, i agree, all council seats should be at-large. at least they would start to work together for the entire city. for years, the city has grown in one direction, now with the ag park, the city has no choice but to expand to the west and i believe the west side will get the development they want. the ctc is just a small part of that growth. does anyone else realize that as the ag park grows , 2nd ave so. will extend west from the top of karl king bridge to the ag park. by the way, i only know of two people who are against the ctc and neither even live in fort dodge.

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SharonO

Jan-31-13 10:33 AM

Yes no ward is more important than the other is exactly what i am saying. The distribution of monies does not show that each is equal. There is no way the same amount of money is spent in each ward evenly. I do not know that for fact i did not se it in writting but it shows in the looks of our town.

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forprogress

Jan-31-13 12:35 AM

Wow...lots of posts. Something I saw a few times was that so and so was just "representing their ward." I think that is one of the problems with the council. No ward is any more important than the other IMO. Some wards may provide more tax revenue, but all wards provide revenue. I think all seats on the council should be at large.

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ftdodger

Jan-30-13 11:54 PM

Okay, Okay, enough you all. I make motion to hire McClure Engineering to study Alstott... That should settle it once and for all.

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TAXEDENOUGH

Jan-30-13 11:14 PM

He said one thing to get elected. Now he changed his opinion. Doesn't take long for a politician to get bought off. What a country we live in.

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Fairplay

Jan-30-13 10:48 PM

Is this the same Kim Alstott that: Cried wolf about the city bond rating only to watch the city rewarded for their credit standing the next time we borrowed? The same one who participated in all the secret meetings creating the New Council Agenda? The one who told voters he would oppose the CTC? The one who signed off on the ridiculous "union contract"? Now he's the Savior of the City? You're right workhorse, you can't make this stuff up.

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bububud

Jan-30-13 10:18 PM

Urban renewal is called for downtown..CTC is a nice START! Like to see the Warden restored..classy in its day! I'm hopeful any Sears Building development includes replacing the ugly "skin" with a 21st century look. Developers would then begin to look at downtown. A central park surrounded by new venues of entertainment, restaurants, and retail would be great to see. Any commercial development on the west side will probably be in the Iowa Central area. New business gets the streets fixed! Fort Dodge can be so much more, but requires a positive attitude and a desire for a better city.

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GangnumFarmer

Jan-30-13 10:05 PM

truthhurt, you bring a lot of insight and information to these comment pages. On the flip-side you do bring a substantial amount of cynicism. Personally I get a chuckle out of most of it. Stewart, ease up. I empathise with what you're saying. All these changes made in this town do not benefit the town as a whole. How many of the 50+ crowd are getting any benefit from the aquatic center. The DART bus being another, I realize a lot of that comes from state money but isn't that our money too? Another prime example is the beautiful trail system many of us have come to know and love. Be nice if there were a was to spread it around evenly but the persons that we elect get to deal with those debated issues with everyone of us letting them know exactly what they're doing wrong. I think if we look hard enough we just might find a few, if not more, things they are working hard on and doing right.

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truthhurts

Jan-30-13 9:39 PM

oh, now you're explaining the rules of a comment board? at least there's one topic you can grasp. some of my best friends grew up on the west side, i will apologize for that comment, it wasn't meant as a put down. never the less, i really have better things to do than go beating up on people i may or may not know in an open comment blog. what took you so long to respond, someone have to explain all that to you as well. no blogger left behind. as far as your "dis" dog, what's that all about? you engaged me, remember that. twit? nice.

not having a grocery store on the west end of town may have served many folks well, fareway was just over the bridge, now you have to go 4 more blocks up, if you're a fareway shopper. if not, i got nothing.

jammer, i said 5 minutes across town. i do believe you're right, especially with all the oddly synced lights in town.

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bullet1986

Jan-30-13 9:39 PM

Born, I have no idea where you live , just that you said you no longer live in Fort Dodge. I hope you get as involved in your current location as much as you interject your opinion about Fort Dodge. Personally, I have lived in three different states and 5 different locations. I do not iinterject my opinion in current issues in my hometown even though I still have famly there. Why not? Because I believe it to be more important to concern myself with the issues of the community in which I currently live. If I were to interject my opinions in a public forum lime this in my hometown, I would be a busy body concerning myself in issues in which I don't have skin in. Would I have the right to do so? Yeah, but that doesn't necessarily make it right to do so. Therefore, I don't

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stewart

Jan-30-13 9:09 PM

Sorry, truthhurts, I really thought you wrote like a spoiled little girl, not a woman or a man. I still do, especially after the remark about not needing to impress anyone from the West side. Arn't we special, see why I thought you were a frivolous twit. You came in here looking for people to dis with your idea of clever little put downs & generalizations. It's a comment blog, not a debate, why not just accept and respect others opinions a little or offer insight rather than put downs.

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SharonO

Jan-30-13 8:48 PM

Yes. The new rec. It was announced on the front page of the paper...on and on about the wonderment of it. Then oh we cant give it to you because the council wont vote yes for the CTC. Hhhmmm...anyone find that strange?

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BornRaisedinFD

Jan-30-13 8:34 PM

workhorse...are you saying the Bennett Viaduct should have never been torn down? You realize the structure was not sound don't you? Did you ever drive over it? Ever ride over it in a truck? (before they put severe weight limits on it)

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jammer

Jan-30-13 8:23 PM

About building a Grocery Store on the West side of town, I've been asking that question for quit some time now. Someone said 5 minutes across town, whats the big whoop? Well it takes a good 10 - 15 minutes to get across town. Cross town connector or not. Whether your coming from Bob Town or West Side you still have to go clear through town to get to a grocery store. The best we have is a Casey's, $4+ for a gallon of milk.

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BornRaisedinFD

Jan-30-13 8:12 PM

bullet... I do have a right to voice my opinion. I also am not a naysayer. Just because I think the CTC is a stupid idea you have the right to call me names? Have you noticed the old Fareway building on 2nd Ave South sold? Guess who bought it? The mayors buddies. Their pulling the strings on this. This IS why the whole CTC was started. And how do you know what I do where I currently live? My entire family that lives in FD is against the CTC. And as a born and raised Dodger I care about what happens to my hometown. I may someday live in the city limits of FD again. You have to admit that with this CTC, the****studies and water woes, that the town of FD has not projected an image of a smart, well run town.

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SharonO

Jan-30-13 7:50 PM

Yes he won by one vote. I am not being petty i am just throwing that out there. The next election will tell i suppose. I am also wondering if anything else was disussed at this Q and A. I was unable to attend.

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spirits

Jan-30-13 7:44 PM

Sharon, you asked if Kim's ward changed direction. Remember he only one that ward by a couple of votes. That means 1/2 of his ward was already thinking different than what he was running on. Maybe he is just trying to represent more of the ward.

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SharonO

Jan-30-13 7:33 PM

Yes the city decides where stuff goes. They offer incentives to build where they want things to be. So i hear some talkibg in circles. We want growth and progress in fort dodge but only on 5th ave and downtown? The only thing for west side of town is ag park? We cant support 2 business districts then why are we trying to get the connector to revitalize downtown? I personally believe something out that way would do great business. Manson, Humbolt, harcourt

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SharonO

Jan-30-13 6:21 PM

I am wondering...hill taylor and wilson get accused of making desicions on based only on thier opinions when it should be the best interest of thier ward and the city. Did Kims whole ward shift focus orjust him?

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truthhurts

Jan-30-13 6:21 PM

miss? know it all? stewart, i guess the last person i need to impress is a west sider complaining about not have his retail services outside his front door. not sure politics plays as big of a role as location availability. or did you already know that? i mean seems like you're a pretty sharp guy, you've made a lot of valid points, especially the birthday cake analogy. way to compare apples to apples. maybe we can talk to dr. dan out at the college and see if they can't put a couple satellite buildings in each ward so students won't have to drive. maybe write a letter to iowa health systems & see if we can't scatter a few clinics in each ward. doesn't seem real fair that the rest of the town has to drive all the way out to the west side of town to be provided either of those services. not sure what you're beef is with me but whatever it is bring it. for the record that's mr. truthhurts. you seem like 1 of those guys who enjoys talking down to women. then again, i could be wrong..

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