If smoke free "adult venues" could be money makers, there would of been many before the smoking ban. Since there was not, that shows the trends of commerce and the wants of the consumers. Where are the meat free restaurants for vegetarians? There are none because they would go out of business. There used to be alcohol free or restricted clubs for teens (Legends and Tremors) and non-drinkers, and they failed. The state knows limiting peoples freedom is a business killer, so they made their casinos exempt. People who want to drink and smoke go there over the peasant bars and the state has the chance to take their money legally for gambling. Allow adult venues to have state sanctioned gambling, and I will bet you smoking will be allowed.
There wasn't a huge demand for smoke-free bars -- the fact that there was so few of them proves it. And they knew the smoking ban was going to be bad for bar business -- the fact that they exempted their casinos proves it.
If all Iowa smokers got smart (I like that) and quit, the state would be screaming about the loss of tax money. Doesn't parts of the "sin tax" go to pay for smoking cessation programs and to assist with health care? I think some programs are funded mostly by the tobacco tax. You think they would want more of us smoking! I think that is the major reason tobacco has not been outlawed, WAY TO MUCH OF A TAX MONEY LOSS. And smokers pay more for insurance, thus giving the insurance companies more profits knowing we will die sooner. I need to quit smoking. I know recovering drug addicts who say quitting drugs was easier than quitting smoking tobacco.
call your local legislator if you don't like the law. Local FD bars are just using the smoking ban as an excuse. As I stated before FD bars open and close ALL the time. Most are poorly run.
It isn't because of the no smoking ban. Fort Dodge has always had a history of bars opening and closing. Poor management and knowledge, along with the economy are the causes. I have heard many bar owners across the state say that the smoking ban has helped their businesses.
BornRaisedinFD, I have to differ, at least on the bars here in FD. I am in the coin op business and have machines in some bars. They are dying! Business is down, bars have closed, and a lot don't even stay open until the legal closing time due to lack of business.
charge...I agree that the casinos should be smoke free too. But I have to disagree with you when you say the majority of people didn't want smoke free bars. More people go to bars now and enjoy themselves because they don't have to worry about second hand smoke. How many bars have had to shut down because of no smoking?
Hey, we knew Democrats' brains were wired backwards, but we STILL didn't think they'd be stupid enough to draft a smoking ban the way they did. They insisted the ban wouldn't cause bar owners to lose business -- but exempted casinos (you know -- so they wouldn't lose business). Also, they proclaimed smoke-free bars were what the majority of the people wanted -- you know, that's why there was so few of them. Any bar could have been smoke free all along, yet very few of them were -- why's that? Oh, yeah -- it's because the majority didn't want them that way. Plus they could have at least exempted plain old "beer joint" bars, which don't serve food, no children in there ever, and where almost 100% of the clientele smokes. But that would make sense, so we know THAT ain't happenin'.
hbockoven
If smoke free "adult venues" could be money makers, there would of been many before the smoking ban. Since there was not, that shows the trends of commerce and the wants of the consumers. Where are the meat free restaurants for vegetarians? There are none because they would go out of business. There used to be alcohol free or restricted clubs for teens (Legends and Tremors) and non-drinkers, and they failed. The state knows limiting peoples freedom is a business killer, so they made their casinos exempt. People who want to drink and smoke go there over the peasant bars and the state has the chance to take their money legally for gambling. Allow adult venues to have state sanctioned gambling, and I will bet you smoking will be allowed.
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There wasn't a huge demand for smoke-free bars -- the fact that there was so few of them proves it. And they knew the smoking ban was going to be bad for bar business -- the fact that they exempted their casinos proves it.
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hbockoven
If all Iowa smokers got smart (I like that) and quit, the state would be screaming about the loss of tax money. Doesn't parts of the "sin tax" go to pay for smoking cessation programs and to assist with health care? I think some programs are funded mostly by the tobacco tax. You think they would want more of us smoking! I think that is the major reason tobacco has not been outlawed, WAY TO MUCH OF A TAX MONEY LOSS. And smokers pay more for insurance, thus giving the insurance companies more profits knowing we will die sooner. I need to quit smoking. I know recovering drug addicts who say quitting drugs was easier than quitting smoking tobacco.
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BornRaisedinFD
call your local legislator if you don't like the law. Local FD bars are just using the smoking ban as an excuse. As I stated before FD bars open and close ALL the time. Most are poorly run.
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hbockoven
I don't care about what bar owners across the state say. I only care about the local businesses and what they say.
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jamesf
If not, why?
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jamesf
Born, can I open a bar that is smokers only?
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BornRaisedinFD
It isn't because of the no smoking ban. Fort Dodge has always had a history of bars opening and closing. Poor management and knowledge, along with the economy are the causes. I have heard many bar owners across the state say that the smoking ban has helped their businesses.
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hbockoven
BornRaisedinFD, I have to differ, at least on the bars here in FD. I am in the coin op business and have machines in some bars. They are dying! Business is down, bars have closed, and a lot don't even stay open until the legal closing time due to lack of business.
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BornRaisedinFD
charge...I agree that the casinos should be smoke free too. But I have to disagree with you when you say the majority of people didn't want smoke free bars. More people go to bars now and enjoy themselves because they don't have to worry about second hand smoke. How many bars have had to shut down because of no smoking?
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Hey, we knew Democrats' brains were wired backwards, but we STILL didn't think they'd be stupid enough to draft a smoking ban the way they did. They insisted the ban wouldn't cause bar owners to lose business -- but exempted casinos (you know -- so they wouldn't lose business). Also, they proclaimed smoke-free bars were what the majority of the people wanted -- you know, that's why there was so few of them. Any bar could have been smoke free all along, yet very few of them were -- why's that? Oh, yeah -- it's because the majority didn't want them that way. Plus they could have at least exempted plain old "beer joint" bars, which don't serve food, no children in there ever, and where almost 100% of the clientele smokes. But that would make sense, so we know THAT ain't happenin'.
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