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Zoo deserves support

April 5, 2013

To the editor: After reading Vickey Groat’s letter to the editor Monday about saving the zoo, it made me want to cry....

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FtDlover

Apr-15-13 2:52 PM

Those exotic animals do not belong in pens. They require natural habitats and proper care. It is selfish to keep them if these basic things cannot be provided.

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Whatever

Apr-14-13 11:41 PM

hbockoven - I will donate nothing to the zoo until they remove exotics from their care. I think it is great that you offered your time. But if you do not have the proper equipment to handle the animals in the first place you should not get them to begin with.

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FDFIRST

Apr-14-13 11:54 AM

At most, this current zoo could competently handle a hamster and maybe a small rabbit.

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Whatever

Apr-14-13 7:42 AM

hbockoven...I think it is great that you helped out and did all that work. Unfortunately the animals' pens for the actual zoo are much smaller and for animals like the lemur, who need lots of room to climb and move around - the cages are far too small. Thanks for helping out!

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AmyVonBank

Apr-07-13 11:10 PM

Everyone please remain calm and keep from fighting and allow the parks board and the city to make the next steps, hopefully it can be done with the agreement of the zoo and everyone can find a way to work together. Everyone has to agree that what is most important is the level of quality animal care and the best experience for the kids. Not the time to divide. Everyone wants a better zoo, we just have to find a way to agree to what that is. I don't support a tax levy for a $100,000 building, I support a smaller, easier to care for population and more domesticated petting zoo type animals.

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HollyRoss

Apr-07-13 11:03 PM

Sorry, doll - it's not "gossip" when there are reports, photographs, screenshots...that's evidence. The zoo board and many supporters are so blinded by the little bit of "power" they believe they have that they refuse to err on the side of even moderately humane. More and more animals are acquired and bred even though they cannot adequately care for more than a few. The city (due to contractual obligations) will ultimately become liable for much. It's been a little less than a year since the light has been brightly shone on these selfish animal hoarders...and there are some more dark matters that will be brought into the light. These animals, dead or alive, will no longer be tossed aside. Stay tuned and have some compassion for the ones who have no choice in OPZ's selfish agenda. Is THAT what you want your kids to witness - that animals are simply here to gawk at, no matter the conditions?

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AmyVonBank

Apr-07-13 10:30 PM

I have waited to speak up because I have been privately meeting with the city and the zoo to try to come together. As far as hogs. I champion of many animal causes and do not support any animal abuse. I have been working very hard to get the zoo to agree to having less animals, having easier to care for animals, more free roaming animals, not caged, flea ridden, depressed overheating animals in tiny little enclosures that don’t mimic any part of its natural habitat. I am not asking for the zoo to go away, I am asking it to show the kids how we truly should love and care for animals. I am asking them to stop buying exotics at the awful auctions and reduce the amount of work for the volunteers and increase the fun educational programs for the kids. I want Oleson park Zoo to be a place all sides of this can be proud of and appreciate together.

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controlpetpopulationspayandneuter

Apr-07-13 10:01 PM

We can definately agree to that. I believe I want what everyone wants which is what is in the best interest of the animals. I have also been to the zoo and did not like seeing a bear they had there in such an unnatural very small environment. We can all agree the zoo needs a total overhaul.

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FtDlover

Apr-07-13 8:59 PM

Thanks, Control. Can we also agree that many of the other animals in the zoo are forced into unnatural environments that are not healthy for them?

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controlpetpopulationspayandneuter

Apr-07-13 8:53 PM

Ftdlover. I totally agree with that statement.

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controlpetpopulationspayandneuter

Apr-07-13 8:52 PM

All animals deserve protection.. Lol. I want protection for all and I do agree the Arctic foxes had no business being there.

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FtDlover

Apr-07-13 8:52 PM

Abuse in another venue is not an excuse for the zoo to treat animals poorly.

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Whatever

Apr-07-13 8:51 PM

Control you still have not answered my question? We are talking about the zoo - not hog confinements. Lets deal with what is going on here and stop trying to turn this into a whole other subject. Plus I already answered that question...now back to mine.

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controlpetpopulationspayandneuter

Apr-07-13 8:49 PM

Back to the hog confinements. So it is ok for workers to rip off test icles of conscious piglets with out the use of painkillers? Is it ok to rip piglets tails off with pliers? Breeding sows should not be confined to cages barely large enough for them even inable to turn around in, All animals included oned raised for food deserve protection. I guess so since they are eventually for human consumption. All anals deserve protection from pain and misery.

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Whatever

Apr-07-13 8:33 PM

I am sure you do Control which is exactly why I asked you the questions I did. You however have failed to answer them. Oh and we have offered our expertise and help along with others in our so called "posse" and were told that they did not want our help as they wanted to keep the exotics just as they were. They have turned down numerous offers. I also am aware of people who have volunteered their time there and refuse to go back because of the state of the pens and lack of shelter. I also know that when visitors have brought issues to the attention of the zoo (not part of our posse) they have been rudely dismissed and told to stay out of it. I may not know as much as you do but it does not take genius to know that an ARCTIC animal does not belong here - as a matter of fact my 1st grader even asked why a "snow" animal was out during a hot day.

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FtDlover

Apr-07-13 8:06 PM

What is best for the animals is to decrease the overall number and remove the exotics. The exotic animals are too care-intensive to do properly and it is cruel to keep them in small pens subjected to fleas, filth and lack of proper vet care.

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controlpetpopulationspayandneuter

Apr-07-13 8:01 PM

Why not everyone pull together and make the zoo better for the animals there? Instead of being on your high horse, help the zoo out. Just a thought. Sounds like everyone wants what is best for the animals. By the way Whatever.. I know more about animals than you will ever know.

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Whatever

Apr-07-13 6:31 PM

I am also going to assume - because you seem to have researched so well that you have seen the USDA reports and really do not care what citations the zoo has received due to their lack of care and cleanliness. And as a member of a farming family our hogs and cattle were always treated humanely and if I became aware of or witnessed brutality on a hog farm I would be just as furious. However my focus is on the zoo where animals are bred, sold, kept in unclean areas, not provided any shelter from the weather, and are dying or becoming injured due to their care. Now you can either disprove everything I have stated here or you can go crawl back under your rock. I am done dealing with such unintelligence.

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Whatever

Apr-07-13 6:25 PM

Okay control lets approach this from a different aspect. Since you feel you know so much more tell me this: why would you bring two animals to a zoo where no escape from the heat is going to be provided? The ARCTIC foxes are meant to live in colder temperatures not 100+ temperatures. So I am assuming that you are completely okay with housing animals in such a manner. Oh and I am sure you already know this but this was not the first nor the second set of arctic foxes but the third. None of them survived - however the zoo leaders did a great job of hiding it before - they were bound to get caught. Unless you are well versed in how to care for exotics you should not have them in your zoo. I will assume that you agree with housing climbing animals in a 3'X3' cage with no chance of getting any type of real exercise. I will also assume that the animals becoming ill from bacteria ridden water and lack of any type of escape is also acceptable for you.

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controlpetpopulationspayandneuter

Apr-07-13 5:45 PM

By the way, just because hogs are for human consumption they should not be treated humanely? Find another hobby.

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controlpetpopulationspayandneuter

Apr-07-13 5:44 PM

And the posse have all arrived, lol. Go protest somewhere else.

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Whenever

Apr-07-13 5:09 PM

Kinda funny Control compared the zoo to a hog confinement..... lol

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FtDlover

Apr-07-13 4:55 PM

So, control, you are supportive of the conditions of the zoo? No one who cares about animals should support the acquistion of animals only to neglect them or keep them in unnatural conditions. Those exotic animals need to be removed. If you are going to call people out, maybe you need to name the people who let the animals suffer and die not just those who tried to help the animals by calling attention to the horrible conditions.

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Whatever

Apr-07-13 4:54 PM

Well control...this is one of the many reasons people who support the zoo as is look so bad - you have shown the maturity level of many of those who run the zoo. As for your "hog" comment. Lets compare...are you raising the animals in the zoo for consumption? I am going to say no? Farm animals not only provide food and nutrients for people here in the US but other countries as well. As for your zoo animals the only reason they don't want to give up the exotics is out of pride. They do not want to admit that what they have done in the past is wrong and inhumane. I would gladly give my time at the zoo if they would choose to have fewer animals and no exotics...I will not support the abuse of any animals nor give my time to those who believe they are for show and to boost their own egos.

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Whenever

Apr-07-13 4:43 PM

control, Put your name here loudmouth! Pretty bold calling someone else out without your name attached. I can think of no valid reason for cramming critters at the zoo in unclean, unhealthy environs. I would be glad to help out if there were fewer critters and the zoo organizers lived up to the hype as animal lovers.

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