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Zoo deserves support

April 5, 2013

To the editor: After reading Vickey Groat’s letter to the editor Monday about saving the zoo, it made me want to cry....

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FDFIRST

Apr-05-13 12:18 PM

Whatever happened to the ARCTIC FOXES ??

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jammer

Apr-05-13 12:46 PM

The messenger shuting down threads and deleteing posts they don't like is just plain wrong. If something isn't right the people should be allowed to express it. Now I suppose this one will go to if anybody says anything negative. I thought the last thread had some good diolog going with real concerns for the zoo. And I have no doubt that many volunteers work very hard to make it a nice place to go. MESSENGER....You printed the letter...so stay out of the reactions to it.

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FDFIRST

Apr-05-13 2:10 PM

Heard thru the grapevine the FOXES are DEAD!

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Whatever

Apr-05-13 3:05 PM

Well Bev and Adrian you are wrong...the zoo does not need our support, the animals do. Two arctic foxes died due to the heat, animals had wounds festering, the lemur's tail was destroyed, etc. I could go on. These people breed the exotics and sell them much like a puppy mill. They have no experience on how to care for these animals. I don't care what you did as a child...those exotics were not there then nor do they need to be now. The laughable part of all of this are those who run the zoo that blame their issues on the "detractors". They have even gone as far as to say that the USDA reports are falsified and yet you can request copies of them. Also their are other zoos that will not associate themselves with them because of their treatment of the animals and not providing them with the proper housing and care. But again this is the fault of the detractors. Basically these zoo people are not backing down because if they would lose their control over the zoo

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Whatever

Apr-05-13 3:09 PM

and then possibly it would be realized that they let these animals suffer at the cost of their pride!

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Whenever

Apr-05-13 7:21 PM

How about a discussion on the fact that there is very little geographical area there? If you simply "Pen" the critters in...Sure you can have a boatload of critters. But to have the critters have a life other than a 6' by 7' pen, you truly need to limit the number of animals. Why do REAL zoos have acres of enclosures for animals? But OUR ZOO has about 42 square feet per critter? Does not sound cool to me. Limit the number of animals to what can be cared for in a prudent environment. I am also glad folks volunteer there. But I don't like to see animals stacked like cordwood.

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Whatever

Apr-06-13 3:29 PM

hbockoven - they have had their winter area inspected and cited for several things. However they have accused the "detractors" of falsifying the reports done by the USDA- which can be found online. I also see that I have a couple of disagrees but no comments to explain what they actually disagree with...I would like to know.

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Whenever

Apr-06-13 3:56 PM

hbockoven, I believe they have a Facebook profile with volunteer info. Good luck. :)

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FtDlover

Apr-07-13 11:11 AM

This zoo is a loser! The nostalgia of the zoo of years past is not the current zoo.

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controlpetpopulationspayandneuter

Apr-07-13 4:10 PM

Perhaps the ones who protest the zoo should protest all the hog confinements as well. Is it because hogs lives are not as valued? why not the few loud mouth protesters get their hands dirty and help out the zoo instead of on their high horse and complaining about it.... Food for thought Amy.

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Whenever

Apr-07-13 4:43 PM

control, Put your name here loudmouth! Pretty bold calling someone else out without your name attached. I can think of no valid reason for cramming critters at the zoo in unclean, unhealthy environs. I would be glad to help out if there were fewer critters and the zoo organizers lived up to the hype as animal lovers.

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Whatever

Apr-07-13 4:54 PM

Well control...this is one of the many reasons people who support the zoo as is look so bad - you have shown the maturity level of many of those who run the zoo. As for your "hog" comment. Lets compare...are you raising the animals in the zoo for consumption? I am going to say no? Farm animals not only provide food and nutrients for people here in the US but other countries as well. As for your zoo animals the only reason they don't want to give up the exotics is out of pride. They do not want to admit that what they have done in the past is wrong and inhumane. I would gladly give my time at the zoo if they would choose to have fewer animals and no exotics...I will not support the abuse of any animals nor give my time to those who believe they are for show and to boost their own egos.

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FtDlover

Apr-07-13 4:55 PM

So, control, you are supportive of the conditions of the zoo? No one who cares about animals should support the acquistion of animals only to neglect them or keep them in unnatural conditions. Those exotic animals need to be removed. If you are going to call people out, maybe you need to name the people who let the animals suffer and die not just those who tried to help the animals by calling attention to the horrible conditions.

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Whenever

Apr-07-13 5:09 PM

Kinda funny Control compared the zoo to a hog confinement..... lol

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controlpetpopulationspayandneuter

Apr-07-13 5:44 PM

And the posse have all arrived, lol. Go protest somewhere else.

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controlpetpopulationspayandneuter

Apr-07-13 5:45 PM

By the way, just because hogs are for human consumption they should not be treated humanely? Find another hobby.

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Whatever

Apr-07-13 6:25 PM

Okay control lets approach this from a different aspect. Since you feel you know so much more tell me this: why would you bring two animals to a zoo where no escape from the heat is going to be provided? The ARCTIC foxes are meant to live in colder temperatures not 100+ temperatures. So I am assuming that you are completely okay with housing animals in such a manner. Oh and I am sure you already know this but this was not the first nor the second set of arctic foxes but the third. None of them survived - however the zoo leaders did a great job of hiding it before - they were bound to get caught. Unless you are well versed in how to care for exotics you should not have them in your zoo. I will assume that you agree with housing climbing animals in a 3'X3' cage with no chance of getting any type of real exercise. I will also assume that the animals becoming ill from bacteria ridden water and lack of any type of escape is also acceptable for you.

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Whatever

Apr-07-13 6:31 PM

I am also going to assume - because you seem to have researched so well that you have seen the USDA reports and really do not care what citations the zoo has received due to their lack of care and cleanliness. And as a member of a farming family our hogs and cattle were always treated humanely and if I became aware of or witnessed brutality on a hog farm I would be just as furious. However my focus is on the zoo where animals are bred, sold, kept in unclean areas, not provided any shelter from the weather, and are dying or becoming injured due to their care. Now you can either disprove everything I have stated here or you can go crawl back under your rock. I am done dealing with such unintelligence.

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controlpetpopulationspayandneuter

Apr-07-13 8:01 PM

Why not everyone pull together and make the zoo better for the animals there? Instead of being on your high horse, help the zoo out. Just a thought. Sounds like everyone wants what is best for the animals. By the way Whatever.. I know more about animals than you will ever know.

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FtDlover

Apr-07-13 8:06 PM

What is best for the animals is to decrease the overall number and remove the exotics. The exotic animals are too care-intensive to do properly and it is cruel to keep them in small pens subjected to fleas, filth and lack of proper vet care.

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Whatever

Apr-07-13 8:33 PM

I am sure you do Control which is exactly why I asked you the questions I did. You however have failed to answer them. Oh and we have offered our expertise and help along with others in our so called "posse" and were told that they did not want our help as they wanted to keep the exotics just as they were. They have turned down numerous offers. I also am aware of people who have volunteered their time there and refuse to go back because of the state of the pens and lack of shelter. I also know that when visitors have brought issues to the attention of the zoo (not part of our posse) they have been rudely dismissed and told to stay out of it. I may not know as much as you do but it does not take genius to know that an ARCTIC animal does not belong here - as a matter of fact my 1st grader even asked why a "snow" animal was out during a hot day.

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controlpetpopulationspayandneuter

Apr-07-13 8:49 PM

Back to the hog confinements. So it is ok for workers to rip off test icles of conscious piglets with out the use of painkillers? Is it ok to rip piglets tails off with pliers? Breeding sows should not be confined to cages barely large enough for them even inable to turn around in, All animals included oned raised for food deserve protection. I guess so since they are eventually for human consumption. All anals deserve protection from pain and misery.

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Whatever

Apr-07-13 8:51 PM

Control you still have not answered my question? We are talking about the zoo - not hog confinements. Lets deal with what is going on here and stop trying to turn this into a whole other subject. Plus I already answered that question...now back to mine.

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FtDlover

Apr-07-13 8:52 PM

Abuse in another venue is not an excuse for the zoo to treat animals poorly.

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controlpetpopulationspayandneuter

Apr-07-13 8:52 PM

All animals deserve protection.. Lol. I want protection for all and I do agree the Arctic foxes had no business being there.

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